i had one lovebombing when she died by the congregation and since then---- nada.
lol.
It's been a long time for me but I always got the message from the dubs that you shouldn't make a big deal of a loved one dying because you're going to see them in the new system. And that if you grieve too much it means you don't have that faith, so there's something wrong with you. If you're not a JW, then they just don't care about you anyway.
Sorry for your loss, I know it must be really rough for you.
is physical and emotional abuse taken seriously in jws ?
do they address this form of abuse that their members inflict on others?
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Smacking young kids if they were noisy or fidgety at meetings was a normal thing at my KH. If that didn't work, then it was the typical 'grab the kid and haul them to the back, or outside, in front of everyone, to give them a good walloping'. You could often hear the smacks or the howls of the assaulted child. I don't know if that falls under "physical abuse" for you, but it does for me, given it wasn't for really good or serious reasons. Even then, it'd be abuse. It's unreasonable to expect young kids, 2 or 3 years old, sometimes younger, to sit like good little JWbots in their seat for the whole meeting.
It went far beyond just one smack on the butt, which I'm okay with on the rare occasion when nothing else works and it's a really serious matter. Bruises were the norm and it was inflicted on older kids too. I remember parents talking quite proudly about their disciplining their kids this way to each other. It made them look good in the eyes of the KH. I often skipped P.E. because I didn't want the bruises on my arms and legs visible to my classmates. This was back in the day when you didn't report this kind of thing - 70s.
When I was about 19, I couldn't maintain the pretense anymore, having woken up at least 4 years earlier and loathing every minute of the JW existence forced on me, the advice my mother got from an elder's wife, as to "what to do about my spiritual weakness", was: Beat her. This from an elder's wife. Note the word "beat". No shame in it either. I don't know about today. I hope it's not as bad.
And the emotional abuse, well, like others here have said, that's part and parcel of the cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yxw_wxyviu .
I wish the legal system would see that it's not really a choice, especially for young ones. It's coercion. You refuse blood because of the consequences you will suffer. Not by the sky fairy but your own family and community. That's huge for anyone, let alone a kid.
this is a video on jw broadcasting to quit your full time career, sell your house and belongings and start a window washing career.
i agree with some of what is presented but not all.
it is good to live within your means as presented in this video.
JWs always paint us normal people & our lives in the worst possible light. Not all jobs are stressful and few jobs are always stressful. Plus, some people thrive on stress and find it challenging and exhilarating, especially if it pays well. Most times, there is the option of getting another job if you can't take it.
But it would be far more stressful to be financially unstable and not have enough money to live comfortably while working and after when you're retired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yxw_wxyviu .
I could be mistaken but I believe the boy was from the UK. A quick google came up with a Josh McAuley, from the West Midlands. He was 15 and the article says he told doctors he didn't want blood. It was 2010 though, so perhaps the system was changed there, to avoid this horror in future.
Of course this talk could have been about another Josh. Hopefully not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yxw_wxyviu.
thanks to anon for the source video and to cappytan for video editing & upload!.
anthony morris iii, knoxville tennessee sunday 2016-07-03.
Smarmy little man, that Morris. How easy for him to stand up there, healthy and alive, and pontificate about Josh providing "a good example of faith in the face of incredible stress and "persecution". What was the persecution? The doctors were trying to convince him to save his own life with necessary medical treatment, as they would be expected to do. And that's "persecution"?
What's really persecution is the coercion that goes into this whole "choice" of refusing blood. They'd be up for persecution from their own cult, even their own family. Persecution in the form of being looked down upon as weak. Maybe even disfellowshipping. Would they DF someone over making the choice to live?
this is a video on jw broadcasting to quit your full time career, sell your house and belongings and start a window washing career.
i agree with some of what is presented but not all.
it is good to live within your means as presented in this video.
Saename, good for you for going to university. Seems like it's more accepted by the JWs these days, or at least most of them. In my day, it was verboten. Hence, I did not get to go to university after high school, despite being a stellar student. I got in with a good company who paid for part-time night school to upgrade my skills, so I could work my way up and earn a very good salary. I still would have done a bit better with a proper degree though but I managed quite well anyway. Learning a good trade is another wise option.
Living within your means is always good advice, and the JWs didn't invent that. But to deliberately hobble yourself educationally and financially is stupid advice, and the JWs did invent that one. The end is just around the corner apparently.
"more than half of the people in the u.k either aren't saving at all or they aren't saving enough to give themselves the standard of living they hope for" ( the money advice service).
how do you have your retirement planned?.
as for myself, i never botherd with putting money in a pension, i opted instead to invest in buy to let properties.
There's a difference between those who can't save enough either due to having a poor start in life and not earning enough, or unforeseen financial/job problems and those who deliberately hobble themselves educationally and financially because "the end is near!". Here in the US many earn minimum wage, or near to it, and would love to have retirement savings but live a hand to mouth existence and can't. Many of them even have degrees. But one injury/hospitalization comes along and their "cheap" health insurance wants them to pay the $6,000 deductible before paying out, and that's it for any savings, let alone retirement.
I'm doing fine because I got out at 20 and despite no degree (thanks to the JWs), managed well in the workforce and placed a lot of importance on living frugally and saving for rainy days and my retirement. Plus I married a man (non-JW) with the same philosophy. We're both early retired. But we've been enjoying life too, with quite a bit of travel, so we're not just scraping by.
We both got that from our parents - although for me, that attitude came from my dad. My JW mother frittered away every cent my dad brought home while they were married and after she converted. When she divorced him in 1999, because he was a "spiritual danger", she got half of what he did manage to tuck away in retirement savings. She frittered that away too, since you know, it's all gonna end any day now!
My dad always told me to save for your retirement so that I wouldn't end up like him. He's doing okay though as he lives in Australia which has a decent social safety net and he's with a lovely lady who was a saver all her life. I'm glad and relieved for him. My non-JW brother has to help my mother out quite often as he earns the big bucks and has no kids. He resents it but feels an obligation. I don't.
i kid you not, giving money is an act of love according to jwtv (juli edition).
Things sure have changed since I left in 1980. Back then I remember the JWs smugly thinking themselves so much more superior than other religions because it didn't beg for money. It was all very voluntary, low-key, no pressure.
It's been interesting coming online to learn about all the differences. My mother's the only one in and since I've learned to never talk about her cult if I want to have a bearable conversation with her, I'm not aware of the way things have degenerated. This is a new low. How much lower can they go?
he walked right past me, looking straight ahead.. years before, hal and i walked the same path, the best of pals.
laughing and joking while endeavoring to maintain some level of decorum during our serious work of being a theatrical spectacle to men and angels.
although we hadn't seen each other in years, hal must have gotten word .
You write beautifully. The last two paragraphs made me a bit teary, because I've been there. Especially that last paragraph. Boy, does that cut right through your heart when that happens. Just a simple action that, walking right by you, ignoring you ... it's a powerful weapon to wield at someone. I will never forget the first time that happened to me, in 1980.
